Thursday, July 1, 2010

Something Happened On The San Agustin Plains In ’47

By Anne Sullivan
For the Mountain Mail

Editor’s note: This was written and published in the June 25th and July 2nd, 1997 issues of Magdalena Mountain Mail for the 50th Anniversary of the UFO Incident in 1947.

July 3rd, 1997 was the 50th Anniversary of the Roswell Incident. For months the motels in Roswell were sold out for the entire week devoted to celebrating the famous 1947 UFO crash. The scheduled hoopla in Roswell included a parade, a film festival, a rock concert, a costume contest, a bicycle run and a glow-in-the-dark golf tournament. Any spare time the visitor has can be spent at the two UFO museums. Any spare money can be spent for teeshirts, toys, gimmicks and statues that only the outer limits of the imagination can curb.
But what about the other UFO crash in 1947, the one on the San Agustin Plains?
The story goes this way: at the very same time as the Roswell crash on July 3, 1947 something most peculiar may have happened somewhere on the San Agustin Plains.
The players in this drama are:
• Barney Barnett - resident of Socorro who worked for the Soil Conservation Service. Barnett, who died around 1969, was very well thought of and respected as a model of probity by all who knew him, many still living in this vicinity.
• Harold Baca, neighbor and friend of Barney Barnett and father of the
proprietor of Harold’s Store on South California Street in Socorro.
• Gerald Anderson, five years old in 1947, has an amazingly perfect recollection of the happenings in early July, 1947.
• Six or so archeology students from (maybe?) the University of Pennsylvania. Never identified and never located.
• Air Force personnel, identified only as a disagreeable red-haired officer and a black soldier.
Nothing at all was heard about any odd events on the Plains for many years. Fast forward two decades. Around 1967 or 1968 when he was very ill with cancer of the mouth and throat, Barney Barnett told Harold Baca that his cancer was caused by the flying saucer he saw on the San Agustin Plains. “Where?” a startled Baca asked Barnett, who replied, “The San Agustin Plains out past Magdalena. There was three little guys and I leaned down to look at them and I got some of that radiation.”
The Roswell Incident written by Charles Berlitz and William Moore includes an interesting account of Barnett’s encounter on pages 57 to 63 in which Barnett is supposed to have told several people about it in 1950.
According to the book, on or about July 3rd, Barnett was out working near Magdalena and came across “a large metallic object” with some not-exactly-human dead bodies around it. He described the bodies as having large round hairless heads with small eyes. Also viewing the remains were some archeology students from the University of Pennsylvania or the U. of Michigan. All were escorted away by Air Force personnel and cautioned strongly not to say anything about what they saw.
Enter Gerald Anderson who came forward in 1990 after viewing a segment of Unsolved Mysteries telling about the San Agustin Plains crash. Gerald Anderson was five years old in 1947 and claims to have been with his father, his uncle, his cousin and his brother on a summer morning when they came across “a silver object stuck in the ground at a weird angle.” Later in 1990 Gerald picked out a small hill on Dave Farr’s land east of Horse Springs and declared it the place. He remembered the archeology students and Barney Barnett and being chased away by the Air Force in the person of a nasty red-haired officer and a black soldier. He also reported that two of the four aliens were alive. Gerald Anderson passed a polygraph test in 1991 but his testimony is understandably disputed by some UFO experts. Note that Barney Barnett makes no mention of the Anderson family’s presence.
Crash At Corona by Stanton Friedman and Don Berliner, written in 1992, covers Anderson’s account on pages 87-97 and 105-108.
Stanton Friedman has done some speedy research on the incident at Horse Springs, as have several other UFO experts. But the lengthiest research, as yet unpublished, has been done by Victor Golubic.
Victor, who lives in Phoenix, was one of a number of UFO aficionados that Jacky Barrington, editor of the Magdalena Mountain Mail, sicced on me, all for the sake of a story, the big story. All of them were nice but single-minded and multi-worded. Volumes of words on UFOs and aliens bombarded my ears in the spring and summer of 1995.
So it was with trepidation, if not earplugs, that I offered to accompany Victor on an excursion to the supposed site of the crash near Horse Springs.
However, Victor wasn’t at all what I expected. First of all, he was young enough to be my grandson. Although extremely enthusiastic about UFO research, he was able to converse about other things. Unlike the authors of a few books I’ve read about the Roswell crash, Victor doesn’t have a theory into which he bends and crushes the facts to prove. Like me, Victor would love to find evidence of a UFO crash here but he’s equally open to the possibility that it never happened.
On July 5th, 1995 we drove down State Road 12 to the place near Horse Springs identified by Gerald Anderson. Victor had already obtained permission from Dave Farr to enter his land. Just north of Horse Springs, we turned east on a dirt track. By and by we came to a hill on our left and Victor said, “This is it.” It was a hill looking much like every other hill with a few trees. Nothing to say that it was or wasn’t something fantastic. My main reservation was, that if this were the place, it would be most unlikely for anything to have crashed there without everyone in Horse Springs knowing about it.
No one did. Victor and I spoke with several people who resided in Horse Springs in 1947 and none remembered anything unusual that summer.
Several remembered a plane crash by the Armijos’ Old Horse Springs store sometime around 1945. No one could pinpoint the exact year, but one had a distinct memory of going to see the crashed plane. “It was a military plane and the pilot was dead,” said one resident of Horse Springs.
That site, when Victor and I looked at it, yielded nothing, but 50 years wipe away a lot.
The Air Force was a presence in Catron County during the late forties, staffing what they said was a radar tower on the road to the Marvin Ake ranch. People remember seeing Air Force vehicles on the roads, but no one we spoke to spotted one carrying bodies of the extra-terrestrial kind.
From Quemado to Reserve to Datil and Socorro, in person and by telephone, Victor interviewed people who had lived in these here parts during those years. Occasionally I went along, and I quickly became an admirer of his technique. Infinitely patient, he was willing and eager to spend hours listening to people talk on all subjects. Gradually Victor would lead them back to the subject at hand. He would return a few months later to talk to them again and telephone at intervals to see if they remembered anything else. With the aid of his computer and out-of-town phone books, Victor tracked down people all over the country.
Tracked them down, talked to them and found nothing really conclusive regarding the San Agustin Plains UFO crash.
These sources are not named in this unscientific article because we never mentioned any intent to publish our findings; we were just making inquires.
We heard many fascinating tales handed down over the years, but no first-hand knowledge.
A Quemado resident recalls a visitor in 1946 (a year before the famous crash) who said, “I just stopped in Magdalena and there was a thing from space. There’s people in it and they tell me one of ‘ems still alive.”
Another Quemado resident knew a man from Mangus who saw a shiny thing in the mountains one summer in the late forties.
A few Aragon residents recall hearing about the incident. “Just that there was tracks,” said one. And from another, “There were strange people. They were moving. It looked like a plate.” They admitted that this was hearsay, which they did not necessarily subscribe to.
Most remembered first hearing about the UFO crash in the 1980s when the investigators started appearing in Catron and Socorro counties. There must be people out there who saw or heard about something in the fifties or before. But where are they?
Instead of answers, there are questions.
Did Barney Barnett, whose Soil Conservation work usually took him west from Socorro, go east that day and come across the Roswell UFO crash?
Could the crash that Barnett saw be the main part of the crash that also left pieces at Corona?
Did the crash occur on San Agustin Plains but not near Horse Springs? This is the theory I prefer. Remember, Harold Baca quotes Barney Barnett as saying, “out past Magdalena.” To me that means on the way to Datil but closer to Magdalena. Describing Horse Springs, one would more likely say, “south of Datil.”
There is some – not evidence, but hearsay to support this theory. According to a Magdalena resident, the UFO is purported to have crashed about 15 miles west of Magdalena, possibly around Wolf Well or Tres Montanas.
Yet a man from Socorro says Barney Barnett told his father that the crash occurred somewhere between Datil and Horse Springs.
And there we have it. Or don’t have it.
Can you add anything to this research? If you know or have heard anything, please get in touch with me in care of this paper.
I’d love it if a UFO had really landed or crashed on the Plains, but I’m not starting to stencil any teeshirts or make a mold for the souvenir mugs. Certainly if I were a UFO pilot and had to crash land my ship, the San Agustin Plains would be a mighty tempting spot.
Perhaps on the 100th anniversary on July 3rd, 2047, we’ll outdo the Roswell celebration. Perhaps by then we’ll know the answer.
Did it or didn’t it?

Second Thoughts In 2010

On rereading bits of material for retyping this article I found something very interesting on page 60 of The Roswell Incident concerning a conversation with Mrs. Maltais, a long-time friend of Barney Barnett’s to whom he told his story in 1950. When asked if Barnett had said exactly where he saw the wreckage, Mrs. Maltais replied, “I remember he said it was prairie – “the Flats” is the way he put it.”
To me and old time residents of our locality, the Flats refers to the flatland east of Magdalena, most of it located north of U.S. 60.
Could we have been looking in the wrong place?
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Old Timer’s Reunion

By John Larson

MAGDALENA – No matter what the weather – come rain or come shine- nothing puts a damper on the fun locals and visitors can have at this year’s Old Timers Reunion weekend.
The annual three day village party returns for its 39th year with rodeos, music, family fun, and, of course, the barbecue.
In the very beginning the Old Timers Reunion was a small event.
Juan Gutierrez, who was Magdalena’s mayor in 1972, said no one expected it to grow larger over the years.
“It was just a few people who started it,” Gutierrez said. “Cecil and Vera Owsley I remember were part of it. But just about all the old timers are gone. We’re the old timers now.”
He was owner of the West Bar until he closed it in1994, and has seen many changes in the town since the first Old Timers Reunion. Gutierrez is a Socorro County Commissioner now, but his involvement in local government goes back to the late 1960s, when he was on the Magdalena Village Board of Trustees. From 1970 to 1974 he was Socorro County Clerk. He was also county road superintendent from 1966 to 1970.
Things get underway Friday, July 9, when vendors will be open for business at the rodeo grounds with cuisine to please every palate.
The Arts and Crafts building (Community Center) is the place to register for a quilt donated by the Magdalena Quilters who are making the quilt.
From the rodeo arena to the Indian Village to the Spanish Village to Magdalena Schools’ Fine Arts Building, visitors will find something to entertain them throughout the weekend.
Activities at the rodeo arena start at 10:30 a.m. Friday morning with the Stick Horse Rodeo, where toddlers and Kindergarten age kids are seen riding their wooden steeds in a variety of contests that simulate traditional rodeo events.The grand entrance for the Kids Rodeo happens 9 a.m. Friday when the older ones, ages 6-18, get the chance to ride and rope for the spectators in the grandstand.
The popular Murillo Brothers’ band provides the entertainment for the Street Dance beginning at 9 p.m. Friday near Village Hall on North Main Street. No alcoholic beverages are permitted, and families are invited to join in the fun.
The most attended event during the Old Timers Reunion weekend is the parade down First Street (Highway 60). The parade beings at 10 a.m., and Highway 60 traffic will be diverted on the east side of town at Chestnut, and on the west side at Highway 107. Old timer Bobby Baker, a retired Forest Service employee, is the Grand Marshal this year and will be leading the parade.
Immediately after the parade the annual barbecue lunch begins serving, generally at about 11 a.m. Pat Trujillo is head honcho of the barbecue who gets much needed help from Charlotte and Chad Perkins. The beef is cooked in a pit starting Friday afternoon. The price of the complete meal is $9 for adults and $6 per child, and includes a drink.
The Century Rodeo and Roping gets underway immediately following the crowning of Darlene Pino, who has the honor of being this year’s Old Timers Queen, in front of the grandstand at noon.
For those wanting to learn what the old days in Magdalena were like, Old Timers story-telling will be held on the old railroad loading dock outside the public library at 1 p.m. The Old Timers Reunion Saturday night dance commences at 8 p.m. at Magdalena Schools' Fine Arts Building. Music is provided by DJ Heavy C Carlos Vega. Admission is $8 per couple, $5 single, and children under two are admitted free. Refreshments will be available at a concession booth manned by the Yucca 4-H club. A silent auction is to be held in conjunction with the dance. No alcohol is permitted. Bright and early Sunday morning the air around the rodeo grounds will be filled with the cooking of sausage, bacon, and pancakes cooking on the grill. The pancake breakfast starts at 7 a.m. and the $5 price goes to helping Magdalena’s volunteer fire department. Follow the aroma to the grandstand kitchen at the rodeo grounds. Pancakes will be served until the batter runs out.
At 6:30 a.m. eager runners will sign up at the new Village Hall to participate in the Magdalena to Kelly 7K Run/Walk, and hopefully make it back to town before the pancakes run out. Entry fee is $10.
The final event in the rodeo arena starts at 9 a.m. Sunday when the roping competition begins.
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Magdalena Marshal's Blotter

Information for the following items was provided by the Magdalena Marshal's office.

June 18
An officer took a report at 7:10 p.m. of an Aggravated Battery on a Household member located on Ash Street in Magdalena. Charges have been filed against the male subject.

June 20
An officer took a report at about midnight on an intoxicated juvenile.

June 21
An officer took a report at 1:30 p.m. of violations of release and phone threats. The male subject was picked up and taken to the Socorro County Detention Center. Additional charges have been filed.

June 23
An officer responded at 10 p.m. to an unattended death on Kelly road.
June 28

An officer took a report at 9 a.m. of a Burglary located on Ash Street. A suspect has been located and charges are pending.

June 28
An officer took a report at 9:40 a.m. of a Burglary on Oak Street. The case is under investigation.

According to Marshal Larry Cearley, bears have been seen looking for food in the Magdalena area. “Please be cautious with trash and animal food in and around your residences,” he said.

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Fourth Of July

Fourth of July festivities at Macey Center feature a full day of live music, along with a water slide, jump balloon, and barbecue.
Sponsored by the Performing Arts Series, City of Socorro, and EMRTC, there is no charge for the music, but food will be sold onsite.
11 a.m., Socorro Community Band
Noon, Martial arts display by the Tech Martial Arts Club and Socorro Martial Arts Academy
1 p.m., Clan Tynker: juggling, magic, stilt-walking, comedy
2:15 p.m., Stasia-Marian-Jim Band: country, folk
3:30 p.m., Syd Masters and the Swing Riders: Western swing
5:30 p.m., Robbie Jude: Spanish music
8 p.m., Remedy: variety
After dark, about 9:30 p.m., fireworks.
Organizers ask that people do not bring fireworks to the concert site.
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Reported Bear Sighting In Magdalena

By John Larson

MAGDALENA -- Reported sightings of a black bear, or bears, on the southern fringe of the village is a reminder to leave no edibles outside, according to Marshal Larry Cearley.
“The normal pinon crop and other staples of bears is low this year, and they are looking for something to eat,” Cearley said. “We’ve had reports of bears begin attracted by pet food, bird feeders, feed for horses, like oats, and of course, open trash barrels.”
The state’s Department of Game and Fish District Wildlife Supervisor Bobby Griego, based in Magdalena, said one trap has been set for a few days.
As of press time Wednesday plans had been made to set an additional trap.
“We think it is the one bear that has been hitting two or three houses,” he said. “Hopefully we can catch it.”
But bears are doing what comes naturally, looking for food when they are hungry said Marty Frentzel of Game and Fish.
“If there’s something to eat they will go for it,” Frentzel said. “This is the time of year we try to help people ‘bear-proof’ their property. Although the bears [in the Magdalena Mountains] are not being as aggressive as in the Sandia-Manzano area, the late spring damaged some of their food sources. They are usually eating a lot of vegetative materials, grass, plants. Some of that is simply not available.”
Frentzel said “attractants” include grain in bird feeders, dog food left outside, compost piles with watermelon or cantaloupe rinds, and household trash.
“Another precaution is to not have firewood stacked against the house. That’s the perfect place for rodents to breed, and bears will sniff them out,” Frentzel said.
Special Hours
The Magdalena Post Office will operate under special hours Saturday, July 10, due to Old Timers Weekend activities.
Postmaster Greg Vivian said counter hours for this Saturday only will be 8 a.m. to 10 a.m.
Vivian said all mail will be in boxes by 10 a.m.
Vet Van Available
As a public service for veterans in need of transport to the Albuquerque Medical Center, Socorro D.A.V. Cinnabder Paul Drake has authorized a 2-3 month trial to determine if the project can be self-sustaining.
To this end, a six-seat van has been purchased. On Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, trips will depart the Socorro DAV at 7 a.m. and return from Albuquerque beginning at 2 p.m.
A 10-day advance notice and small voluntary contribution are requested. Volunteer drivers to date include Jack Duffy, Peter Romero, Leonard Clapes and Charlie Hartwell. Phone 838-1094. For further details, leavea brief message, name and return phone number.
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Cibola Forest Unveils Summer Fire Restrictions

The Cibola National Forest, Magdalena Ranger District implemented fire restrictions last Saturday, June 26. Cibola National Forest Supervisor Nancy Rose explained, "With the recent increase in temperatures, higher winds, continued dry conditions that are drying vegetation, the potential for Wildland fires has increased and we feel it is necessary to take these precautions.”
As always, fireworks are prohibited on all national forest system lands, she said.
The following restrictions apply to the Magdalena Ranger District.
Open Campfire Restrictions:
Campfires, charcoal grills and stove fires are prohibited on national forest lands except in Forest Service developed camp and picnic grounds where grills are provided.
Pressurized liquid or gas stoves, lanterns and heaters meeting safety specifications are allowed. Please contact the Cibola National Forest for more details regarding where fires are allowed.
Smoking is allowed within an enclosed vehicle or building; a developed recreation site; or while stopped in an area at least three feet in diameter and free of all flammable material.
Call Mark Chavez for more information at 505-346-3900, or the Magdalena Ranger District Office at 575-854-2281.
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OBITUARY: Rudolpha A. (Aragon) Gomez

Rudolpha A. (Aragon) Gomez
Sept. 1, 1942-June 23, 2010

Rudolpha A.(Aragon) Gomez, age 67, passed away Wednesday, June 23,2010 at her home in Magdalena. Rudolpha was born on September 1, 1942 to Ramon and Beatrice (Castillo) Aragon in Reserve.
She is survived by her daughter, Jemma Gomez and fiancé Tung Pham of Gilbert, Ariz.; her sons, Joshua Gomez of Magdalena; and Jacob Gomez of Las Vegas, Nev.; her grandchildren, Jesiah; Lena; Jordan; Armando; Clarissa; Joseph; and Monique; sisters, Rose Aragon; Frances Chavez; Vivian Torres; Cecilia Abbots and husband, David; and Sr. Celine Aragon; brother, Andrew Aragon; and many nieces, nephews, and cousins.
Rudolpha was a resident of Magdalena since 1957. She was a member of St. Mary Magdalene Church.
Rudolpha was preceded in death by her loving husband, Gilbert M. Gomez in 1989; a sister, Belia Baca; and a brother Bobby Aragon.
A Rosary was recited on Sunday, June 27, 2010 at St. Mary Magdalene Catholic Church in Magdalena, NM. On Monday, a Mass of Resurrection was celebrated with Father Andy Pavlak also at St Mary Magdalene Catholic Church. Burial will take place in the Magdalena Cemetery. Pallbearers were David Aragon, Steven Aragon, Robert Torres, Michael Torres, Leroy Trujillo, and Pat Trujillo.
Those who wish to send condolences may do so at www.danielsfuneral.com. Services have been entrusted to: Daniels Family Funeral Services, 309 Garfield, Socorro, NM 87801, (575) 835-1530
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OBITUARY: Louis Gallegos

Louis Gallegos
Oct. 18, 1925-June 23, 2010

Louis Gallegos, age 84, passed away at his home in Socorro on Wednesday, June 23, 2010. Louis was born on October 18, 1925 in Socorro to Tomas and Cornelia (Silva) Gallegos.
He is survived by his devoted nephew and caretaker, Floyd Gonzales and many nieces, nephews, and close friends.
Louis served in WWII and was a proud Veteran. He was a farmer and hard worker.
A Rosary was recited on Tuesday, June 29, 2010 at San Miguel Catholic Church. On Wednesday, June 30, 2010, a Mass of Resurrection was celebrated also at San Miguel Catholic Church with Father Andy Pavlak as celebrant. Burial took place in The Santa Fe National Cemetery on Wednesday. Pallbearers were Juan Gonzales, Tommy Gonzales, Ernest Gonzales, Philip Anaya, Leroy Anaya, and Louis Anaya. Honorary pallbearers are Thurman A. Derryberry, and Joseph Montoya. Those who wish to send condolences may do so at www.danielsfuneral.com. Services have been entrusted to: Daniels Family Funeral Services.
309 Garfield, Socorro, NM 87801. (575) 835-1530
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OBITUARY: Mike Davis

Mike Davis
1961-2010

Mike Davis, age 49, a resident of Pie Town, passed away on Thursday, June 24, 2010.
He enjoyed hunting, fishing and gun collecting. Mike was formerly a custodian for Quemado School, where he enjoyed being around the children and playing practical jokes on his peers. Prior to that he worked milking cows for more than twenty years. He also liked classic country music and collecting movies.
Mike was preceded in death by his father, Theo Davis; brother, Charles Miller and mother-in-law, Lillian McKinley. He is survived by his wife, Leah Davis; children, Vera Davis of Kanab, Utah, Randa Roper of Mangas, Lance Davis of St. George, Utah and Kyle Hill of Fort Campbell, Ky.; grandchildren, Randin, Ayden, Ross and Reese; mother, Joyce Davis of Mountainair; Bobbie Connell of Mountainair, Dawna Langley of Mountainair, Tonia Kayser of Mountainair and Jimmy Davis of Belen. Also surviving Mike are numerous nieces and nephews.
A celebration of Mike's life will be take place on Monday, July 5, 2010 at 11 a.m. at Quemado School. A reception will follow also at Quemado School.
Interment will be private.
In lieu of flowers donations can be made in Mike's name to the Memorial Scholarship Fund P.O. Box 128, Quemado, New Mexico 87829. Arrangements are being handled by the caring professionals at Riverside Funeral Home of Belen, 418 W Reinken Ave., where an online guest register is available at www.riversideof belen.com
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Lopez Featured On PBS Program

Mountain Mail Reports

The PBS program, “Report From Santa Fe,” will feature a 30-minute interview with New Mexico Tech president Dr. Daniel H. Lopez this weekend.
The show aired on Channel 5, KNME last week. Host Lorene Mills and Lopez primarily discussed the funding situation for higher education in New Mexico and the contribution of universities to New Mexico’s economy and the global community.
After talking about the history of the university and giving an overview of Tech’s largest research divisions, Mills and Lopez discussed how funding cuts are affecting higher education.
“I think this is a misconception about how higher education can sustain itself,” Lopez said. “There is a misconception that we have a lot of outside resources that can go directly to support state functions and that is simply incorrect. Higher education does attract a lot of money to the state but unfortunately we can’t use it for the primary mission of research and education.”
Lopez said Tech has cut employment, including faculty members, by about 10 percent already.
“We are getting to a point where I think it could really hurt our educational mission so I don’t think it’s that the legislature is against higher education but I don’t think that there is a full appreciation of how we manage our business,” he said. “We have taken a disproportionate hit … not only on direct cuts but in addition to that some fairly hefty credit which means that we have to pass on the costs to students.”
Lopez explained the tuition credit concept and the state’s funding formula for higher education. He also dispelled the myth that four-year institutions are more expensive for the state to maintain than are two-year colleges.
“When you compare the first two years of higher education meaning four year schools to the first two years at community college actually the four year schools are less expensive but that usually doesn’t come across in the aggregate statistics,” Lopez said. “It is that kind of mythology I think that works into the political process and after a while we end up thinking this little cut is not going to hurt that much … and it really lands up being very difficult on the part of the four year institution.”
Lopez then talked about how universities around the world contribute intellectual capital, discovery and new ideas, thus improving the global way of life.
“That’s what creates wealth in this country,” he said. “That’s the added value and that’s why I hope we don’t give up on higher education. That that really I think is the cutting edge of what will make a difference of whether we remain globally competitive or we fall back to a second degree status as a society in this country.”
Mills brought the discussion back to state policy, budgets and higher education funding.
“I don’t envy the legislature,” Lopez said. “They have extraordinarily difficult decisions to make. But the fact of the matter is that you cannot pursue a short-term fix on a long-term problem and the long-term problem has to be solved and that has to do with creating this workforce that is at the highest competitive level. So when you are choosing to cut, you are going to have to really be mindful of whether you are doing it in order to solve a short-term problem at the expense of a long-term gain. … We are not used to thinking in global terms, we are much more parochial than that but we need to shift our paradigm. We need to think that we are no longer a society that competes just around the corner. We compete on a global scale and we have got to understand that.”
Mills asked Lopez what he would suggest as a long-term solution to the state’s dwindling tax base and shrinking budget.
“The solutions are not pretty,” he said. “We all know what the division of resources is and our public education takes a big chunk. … You have to look at each of these sectors and be willing to say we can’t afford what we have been doing all these years and that talks about issues nobody wants to talk about. It may talk to consolidation in some sectors and I won’t name which. It may talk about grouping universities and two year schools in another context.”
Lopez said the state must either do away with some services that are not essential or raise taxes.
“Those are the only two choices,” he said. “We are going to have to address needs rather than desires and so a little movement towards the middle and away from the extremes I think would permit us to make some decisions that will hurt the least and have the best opportunity to maximize our opportunities to be successful.”
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